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	<title>Comments on: The Failure of Citizen Journalism?</title>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.levjoy.com/blog/2008/10/23/the-failure-of-citizen-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-100105</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi George, thanks for writing! Things are admittedly slow around here! Check out http://openmobile.posterous.com/, where I&#039;ve been writing about mobile phones and democratic participation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi George, thanks for writing! Things are admittedly slow around here! Check out <a href="http://openmobile.posterous.com/" rel="nofollow">http://openmobile.posterous.com/</a>, where I&#8217;ve been writing about mobile phones and democratic participation.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.levjoy.com/blog/2008/10/23/the-failure-of-citizen-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-100104</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fairly cool post. I simply stumbled upon your blog and wished to say that I&#039;ve really liked reading your blog posts. Anyway I’ll be subscribing to your blog and I hope you put up once more soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fairly cool post. I simply stumbled upon your blog and wished to say that I&#8217;ve really liked reading your blog posts. Anyway I’ll be subscribing to your blog and I hope you put up once more soon!</p>
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		<title>By: stephen/GlobalPundit</title>
		<link>http://www.levjoy.com/blog/2008/10/23/the-failure-of-citizen-journalism/comment-page-1/#comment-65014</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen/GlobalPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was always curious what people thought of this...

 Where do journalists/reporters who get paid to do reporting for corporate paymasters, but also participate in Citzen Journalism because of the gaping abyss left by mainstream media work, actually fit in?

  The pleasure and frustration is that, in conjunction/and with the assistance of fellow CJ&#039;s, we&#039;ve essentially broken more stories despite giving the &quot;one phone call is research to me&quot; twits in the newsroom a chance to use materials collected.

 4 days later the msm weasels report on it like it&#039;s their gospel and one sits there steaming as you hear yr own copy being read.

 It&#039;s a curious thing.

 It&#039;s also at the point where I&#039;ll take something I put more work into to such places as TheUptake or DigitalJournal and not even waste my time with the so-called &#039;real media&#039;, excepting alt weeklies or network afilliate radio.

 As i like to say, most msm is where &quot;press releases go to become news and news goes to die&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was always curious what people thought of this&#8230;</p>
<p> Where do journalists/reporters who get paid to do reporting for corporate paymasters, but also participate in Citzen Journalism because of the gaping abyss left by mainstream media work, actually fit in?</p>
<p>  The pleasure and frustration is that, in conjunction/and with the assistance of fellow CJ&#8217;s, we&#8217;ve essentially broken more stories despite giving the &#8220;one phone call is research to me&#8221; twits in the newsroom a chance to use materials collected.</p>
<p> 4 days later the msm weasels report on it like it&#8217;s their gospel and one sits there steaming as you hear yr own copy being read.</p>
<p> It&#8217;s a curious thing.</p>
<p> It&#8217;s also at the point where I&#8217;ll take something I put more work into to such places as TheUptake or DigitalJournal and not even waste my time with the so-called &#8216;real media&#8217;, excepting alt weeklies or network afilliate radio.</p>
<p> As i like to say, most msm is where &#8220;press releases go to become news and news goes to die&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck - I agree that citizen journalism is a wonderful, necessary, and inevitable development.  We&#039;ve seen its influence on political reporting all over the place.  But again, looking at the single instance of election coverage -- which, for better or for worse, has been synonymous with &quot;political reporting&quot; for at least the last year -- I&#039;ve seen little impact beyond the examples you and I quoted. 

And to be clear, I love the work you guys are doing at the UpTake, though, like Chris Anderson wrote, I&#039;d call it &quot;networked journalism&quot; instead.  You&#039;re a pro at this :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck &#8211; I agree that citizen journalism is a wonderful, necessary, and inevitable development.  We&#8217;ve seen its influence on political reporting all over the place.  But again, looking at the single instance of election coverage &#8212; which, for better or for worse, has been synonymous with &#8220;political reporting&#8221; for at least the last year &#8212; I&#8217;ve seen little impact beyond the examples you and I quoted. </p>
<p>And to be clear, I love the work you guys are doing at the UpTake, though, like Chris Anderson wrote, I&#8217;d call it &#8220;networked journalism&#8221; instead.  You&#8217;re a pro at this <img src='http://www.levjoy.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Olsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Olsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Citizen journalism is alive and well. I agree it may not have had a major impact on the presidential election, but it can and does have a more significant on local *political* reporting. 

The UpTake is providing unprecedented video coverage of statewide congressional races in Minnesota, for example - providing perspectives and stories often missing before.

We have had some impact on the national scene though - we had one of the only interviews with the &quot;Obama is in Arab&quot; woman in Lakeville, MN who said she sends out letters telling the &quot;truth&quot; about Obama. Those stories aren&#039;t game changers but they do enrich and deepen the existing MSM, etc. coverage.

And of course, our RNC coverage was one of the few places you could get unfiltered look at what was really happening in the streets of St. Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citizen journalism is alive and well. I agree it may not have had a major impact on the presidential election, but it can and does have a more significant on local *political* reporting. </p>
<p>The UpTake is providing unprecedented video coverage of statewide congressional races in Minnesota, for example &#8211; providing perspectives and stories often missing before.</p>
<p>We have had some impact on the national scene though &#8211; we had one of the only interviews with the &#8220;Obama is in Arab&#8221; woman in Lakeville, MN who said she sends out letters telling the &#8220;truth&#8221; about Obama. Those stories aren&#8217;t game changers but they do enrich and deepen the existing MSM, etc. coverage.</p>
<p>And of course, our RNC coverage was one of the few places you could get unfiltered look at what was really happening in the streets of St. Paul.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 03:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carlos and Chris - good points about the somewhat false distinctions between pro and amateur.  The FiveThirtyEight example points to this problem, especially since Nate Silver does make his living analyzing stats, blurring the line between pro and am. 

And I definitely agree with the idea of just calling all of this &quot;networked journalism,&quot; whatever that really means. 

But the trend that I&#039;ve been noticing -- and that led me to this critique -- is that almost ALL of the influentials this time around are much more traditional that I expected they would be.  There isn&#039;t a reliance on the network in the way that many of us expected.

That&#039;s where this emailers-as-sources thing gets interesting.  Maybe, while we&#039;re theorizing about the importance and usefulness of the network, this old school, two-way form of communication is actually more networked and useful than we thought, and newer, more consciously constructed forms like Off the Bus are proving to be of limited usefulness. 

This gets to another point, which is that, after a few years of preaching about the primacy of bottom-up activism, I think we&#039;re seeing the resurgence of Web 1.0-like editorial control over content.  That, combined with the grassroots stuff, is what makes things interesting and relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carlos and Chris &#8211; good points about the somewhat false distinctions between pro and amateur.  The FiveThirtyEight example points to this problem, especially since Nate Silver does make his living analyzing stats, blurring the line between pro and am. </p>
<p>And I definitely agree with the idea of just calling all of this &#8220;networked journalism,&#8221; whatever that really means. </p>
<p>But the trend that I&#8217;ve been noticing &#8212; and that led me to this critique &#8212; is that almost ALL of the influentials this time around are much more traditional that I expected they would be.  There isn&#8217;t a reliance on the network in the way that many of us expected.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s where this emailers-as-sources thing gets interesting.  Maybe, while we&#8217;re theorizing about the importance and usefulness of the network, this old school, two-way form of communication is actually more networked and useful than we thought, and newer, more consciously constructed forms like Off the Bus are proving to be of limited usefulness. </p>
<p>This gets to another point, which is that, after a few years of preaching about the primacy of bottom-up activism, I think we&#8217;re seeing the resurgence of Web 1.0-like editorial control over content.  That, combined with the grassroots stuff, is what makes things interesting and relevant.</p>
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